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		<title>By: Facts and myths in EU debates&#160;&#124;&#160;Kosmopolito</title>
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		<dc:creator>Facts and myths in EU debates&#160;&#124;&#160;Kosmopolito</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: EP elections made cool(er) &#8211; Kosmopolito</title>
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		<dc:creator>EP elections made cool(er) &#8211; Kosmopolito</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] they will be without real ownership at the national and local level. Moreover, what is needed is a public debate on the EU that will continue also after the EP [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Kosmopolit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kosmopolit</dc:creator>
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		<description>@ Brusselsblogger

The communication of different opinions is indeed a necessary thing, however, I have the feeling that this is not always done in a constructive way. Usually the (national) media is only interested in the national position and not so much in a European compromise or European &quot;interest&quot;...

@ Tanchi

It is true, in Eastern Europe the EU is often seen as a something very positive which also has the capacity to fix national mistakes. At the same time this is also dangerous because you loose capacity to criticize the EU and your national politicians who are often involved in the decision making.

@Nosemonkey

Historical myths - Yes, indeed an interesting field especially when these myths really inform political debates and in the case of the UK even form a kind of &quot;philosophical basis&quot; for anti-EU discourses.

Of course one could also argue that these historical legislative myths are part of the national historical conscience (usually a even bigger myth) that still seems to matter in framing public discourses. Of course this exists in every state although the degree in which they inform EU discourses probably varies greatly, at least that is my guess...  In any case, a topic I need to get into ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Brusselsblogger</p>
<p>The communication of different opinions is indeed a necessary thing, however, I have the feeling that this is not always done in a constructive way. Usually the (national) media is only interested in the national position and not so much in a European compromise or European &#8220;interest&#8221;&#8230;</p>
<p>@ Tanchi</p>
<p>It is true, in Eastern Europe the EU is often seen as a something very positive which also has the capacity to fix national mistakes. At the same time this is also dangerous because you loose capacity to criticize the EU and your national politicians who are often involved in the decision making.</p>
<p>@Nosemonkey</p>
<p>Historical myths &#8211; Yes, indeed an interesting field especially when these myths really inform political debates and in the case of the UK even form a kind of &#8220;philosophical basis&#8221; for anti-EU discourses.</p>
<p>Of course one could also argue that these historical legislative myths are part of the national historical conscience (usually a even bigger myth) that still seems to matter in framing public discourses. Of course this exists in every state although the degree in which they inform EU discourses probably varies greatly, at least that is my guess&#8230;  In any case, a topic I need to get into <img src='http://www.kosmopolito.org/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Nosemonkey</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 10:36:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lots of good stuff, but jut one note, on your first point (and this is a bit of a sidetrack, so sorry...)

Not sure about elsewhere, but in the UK there&#039;s one MASSIVE national legislative myth - that of the Magna Carta. Despite the fact that it has been amended countless times down the centuries and had various sections repealed (to the extent that pretty much none of it remains in force), large chunks of the British population seem to think that it still grants them certain inalienable rights. Even though it never did in the first place - it only granted rights to the aristocracy and larger landowners.

A related one is the myth of the 1689 Bill of Rights (itself inspired at the time by the myth of Magna Carta), from which some anti-EU types tend to quote the following: &quot;no foreign prince, person, prelate, state or potentate hath or ought to have any jurisdiction, power, superiority, pre-eminence or authority, ecclesiastical or spiritual, within this realm&quot; - this, of course, to declare Britain&#039;s membership of the EU illegal. The fact that the Bill of Rights was passed into law by King William III, a Dutchman, and that a quarter of a century later the crown would pass to King George I, a German who spoke no English, seems to be missed by them...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lots of good stuff, but jut one note, on your first point (and this is a bit of a sidetrack, so sorry&#8230;)</p>
<p>Not sure about elsewhere, but in the UK there&#8217;s one MASSIVE national legislative myth &#8211; that of the Magna Carta. Despite the fact that it has been amended countless times down the centuries and had various sections repealed (to the extent that pretty much none of it remains in force), large chunks of the British population seem to think that it still grants them certain inalienable rights. Even though it never did in the first place &#8211; it only granted rights to the aristocracy and larger landowners.</p>
<p>A related one is the myth of the 1689 Bill of Rights (itself inspired at the time by the myth of Magna Carta), from which some anti-EU types tend to quote the following: &#8220;no foreign prince, person, prelate, state or potentate hath or ought to have any jurisdiction, power, superiority, pre-eminence or authority, ecclesiastical or spiritual, within this realm&#8221; &#8211; this, of course, to declare Britain&#8217;s membership of the EU illegal. The fact that the Bill of Rights was passed into law by King William III, a Dutchman, and that a quarter of a century later the crown would pass to King George I, a German who spoke no English, seems to be missed by them&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Tanchi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tanchi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 21:48:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also agree with your analysis. During reading the post I was thinking: what do I miss in the EU communication and why people in general (or I will rather say most of Slovenes in this case) neglect EU policies/institutions. I think that people do not care about &quot;bigger picture&quot; until it influences their lives. So, from a perspective of the new member state: I would even dare to make a hypothesis that people might even have a trust in the EU institutions in a sense that they will fix big mistakes caused on a national level. Another thing is for sure connected with national media which in many cases does not even know much about &quot;this complicated structure&quot; and with education (both of them you mentioned) which still does not offer lectures on e.g. history of the EU or overcoming national and pointing on euronational :) (as it is not really supranational)...However, all of this is connected with national politics and national elites who/which will have to give a green light for going further...

of course just another point which has to be combined with etg. mentioned in the blog...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also agree with your analysis. During reading the post I was thinking: what do I miss in the EU communication and why people in general (or I will rather say most of Slovenes in this case) neglect EU policies/institutions. I think that people do not care about &#8220;bigger picture&#8221; until it influences their lives. So, from a perspective of the new member state: I would even dare to make a hypothesis that people might even have a trust in the EU institutions in a sense that they will fix big mistakes caused on a national level. Another thing is for sure connected with national media which in many cases does not even know much about &#8220;this complicated structure&#8221; and with education (both of them you mentioned) which still does not offer lectures on e.g. history of the EU or overcoming national and pointing on euronational <img src='http://www.kosmopolito.org/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  (as it is not really supranational)&#8230;However, all of this is connected with national politics and national elites who/which will have to give a green light for going further&#8230;</p>
<p>of course just another point which has to be combined with etg. mentioned in the blog&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Brusselsblogger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brusselsblogger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 21:25:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good overview - and good recommendations.

For me one key point is that the different opinions need to be communicated (that&#039;s why headlines like &quot;Germany against economic government&quot; work well).

This can also be seen in regard to your point 1) the Europa.eu website. Why does Margot Wallström&#039;s website not feature any external document about the European Union&#039;s communication policy? Why can&#039;t I find the EESC opinion on Margot&#039;s site? Debate needs controversy and controversy needs different opinions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good overview &#8211; and good recommendations.</p>
<p>For me one key point is that the different opinions need to be communicated (that&#8217;s why headlines like &#8220;Germany against economic government&#8221; work well).</p>
<p>This can also be seen in regard to your point 1) the Europa.eu website. Why does Margot Wallström&#8217;s website not feature any external document about the European Union&#8217;s communication policy? Why can&#8217;t I find the EESC opinion on Margot&#8217;s site? Debate needs controversy and controversy needs different opinions.</p>
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